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Tezza chats with recent second place finishers at ACL Sydney, Fray LgNds.


Now we have Riddick joining us, the leader of Frenetic Array. Riddick I’m not overly sure how much you follow your CoD guys, just wanted your 2c on how you think they are going.


Riddick: Well I think they have been doing great. Their results have been a mixed sort between their online and their LAN presence. They've had to focus on their strengths lately and focus on what they enjoy playing as they were spreading themselves too thin.


What do you think the chances of Fray bringing home 2/2 ACL Championships? With both of Fray's teams (Halo and CoD) going in as the number one seeds.


Riddick: Yes I think they could go 2/2.


Firstly, welcome guys. Lets jump right in. I’m noticing that there is no Kustom and now Guardian, what has happened since ACL Sydney?


Donkey: Due to Kustoms work arrangements changing, he is unable to play with the core four enough to do preparation and strats necessary. So it was necessary for us to find a replacement. As Guardian has been a sub for our team for the past two CG seasons and generally knows our strats we thought it a fairly easy replacement for Kustom. Guardian also brings some new elements to the team that will be an advantage to us. Being a lesser known player and playing a different role to kustom being the greatest of these advantages. But he is also a geek and plays alot of 4v4 customs too which will add too.

Saint: It's a shame to have to let Kustom go because he has been with us for the last 2 years and has been a great asset to our team. (Pretty much carried us in WAW ) but it has to be done for us to keep up with MLC and INS. So big shout out to Kustom and hope he comes back 1 day. Also Guardian pretty much fits Kustoms role in the team perfectly and is much improved at 4v4s. So it will be very interesting to see how we go in R3 and brisvegas.


OK so how long have you guys been playing for, and when did this team form?


Donkey: I have been playing games since I can remember but I first got an Xbox 4 years ago and my first game was CoD3. Played a lot offline, until I realised that if I put the ethernet in the back of the box I could connect it to XBL. I played FFA on CoD3 and got really high in the world rankings. I then was noticed by a small Aussie cLAN called Hunters & Collectors, who I will admit were horrible. But there were a few good players Billabong, Pakeio that I took with me when king asked me to join KillArmy Elite and control of the Australian AXB ladders and moved to GB (Gamebattles). After time and practice we made it to no.2 in the world beating saints team on the US ladder (lols) but picked him up in our Australian team. This is when Saint and I started playing together and we have lost some pretty beast players over the years but have replaced them as necessary. We picked Kustom up towards the end of CoD4 and cheese midmay through S1 MW2.

Saint: Team has changed a lot over the years because peoples lives have interfered with playing Xbox (G33Ks). But we have always managed to find some great players/friends to fill the holes and i personally think our team atm has never been stronger. Me and Donkey have played together for years while Cheese and Guardian are new elements yet we get along with them really well.

Guardian: I started playing COD4 on Xbox two years ago and joined a team with a mate call AxG on Aussiexbox, until the end on 2008 when I found Cybergamer. I joined the CG ladder for COD5 WaW with a bunch of mates and got hated on for talking so much shit but I worked my way back up and was the leader of the winning CGi team for COD5 WaW. But after COD5 most of the players were already in other teams leading into MW2.

Cheese: Yeah, well I started playing competitive in a team called Catastrophic Cantelope Krew, was leading the team with a friend from school (Panda), played for fun and eventually he stopped playing for a while and the team fell apart, during that time I played a team called Veterans Of War in which I got good results and was approached by razmac to join. This takes place around early cod5 days, we played out the whole of the second season narrowly making pro finals. We were getting sick of the game but put out heads down and tried the best we could, beating Team Kritically Accliamed (TKA*) 13-11 on Cliffside, the favorites to win the comp and go on to verse Frenetic Array: Legends in the final in which we went on to beat fray and take out the season. This team was called aspiRe, which i played in for close to a year and a half before it came to an end. Following that I joined Uprising in its late stages but with too many inactive members the team couldn't hold and came to an end... I looked at my options and decided to join Legends around the time of Mid Season 1 in Modern Warfare 2.


To the 3 of you who attended ACL Sydney and ACL Melbourne, with your 2nd place finish eventually losing to Malice how do you think the event went and what were your thoughts on it compared to ACL Melbourne?


Donkey: Completely different level of competition from Sydney to Melbourne. Had to make sure we played as a team and commit a lot more time to our efforts, and drink less beer on the night before. There were some complications on our road to Sydney with Saint missing his train meaning Cheese was left alone on the train in between old people so Saint ended up catching a pLANe.

Saint: Melbourne was a bit of a farce for CoD with next to no teams turning up and the whole MW 2 LAN thing being unknown waters and a bit of trial and error occured on the day. Sydney on the other hand saw some top CG teams turn up. By this time the whole MW 2 LAN problems had been resolved and the ruleset/maps perfected.


The MW2 set up at ACL Sydney

Yes speaking of interest of teams. Both MLC and KAE have expressed their interest, they of course came 1st and 3rd respectivly in Sydney. What were your thoughts on these teams?


Cheese: Well we have versed Malice many times, usually haven't been right up there with them but as the results go on the scores have been very close between us, they have seemed to have a habit of quite frequently beating us in the last moments of the game, realising this we have gone over our gameplay and patched things up. Both the teams are really good opposition, but I think we might have the edge at Brisbane after reassessing the way we play. As for KAE, they have a fair bit of work to do to get up to the same level of Malice, iNS, Evil and ourselves. But if they put the same commitment they to can bridge this gap and take maps off us.


Guardian have you ever actually played on LAN before?


Guardian: Not CoD only Halo 2 with a few mates.

Donkey: Guardian Viva Pinata LAN pro!


Now with both online rounds you guys have placed 3rd and 4th respectively, on LAN your placings are 1st and 2nd respectivly. Do you guys prefer LAN or do you think the harder teams are in the online rounds and are to lame to go to LANs?


Saint: I definitely think LAN is much better due to the connection not being a factor.

Donkey: The better teams are definitely online because teams are spread over states. No lag is amazing, shots stick. It separates the pretenders from the decent players. LAN is where it’s at!

Cheese: After playing on LAN you realise how much of online call of duty can come down to who has the best connection, so many times online do your bullets not tag and go straight through people, it can even determine a match...


So I'm presuming you’re predicting yourself to take out ACL Brisbane finals, who do you think will be your biggest challenge?


Donkey: It will definitely be malice, maybe iNS and Evil if they get teams to Brisbane.

Guardian: No one, we got this!

Saint: MLC of course and Evil/Fear if they get a team together. Other then that it really depends on what team attend KAE will be attending and they should put a good fight. Other tehn that it's to early to say, with teams lineups up in the air due to the location of team mates.


Any shout outs?


Guardian: Kustom. Nuff said.

Donkey: Riddick, Kustom, Billabong (if he isn't dead), Nick (Vanzo) for putting all his hard work into ACL, Samsung, Madman, Audion and customFACTOR.

Saint: Vanz for everything he has done to get this up and running. Riddick for his un-wavering support, Tezza for stepping up top take the MW 2 admin role, and Cybergamer for their amazing ladders. Donkey got the rest.

[schmutttampon]

Good read, nice to see CoD get a mention .

[II RaDMan]

Do you guys have any game play captured?

[Sandz]

HEY CHEESE <3

[Fitzy]

Nice, didn't really learn anything I didn't know but still pretty good

[Heners]

Enjoyed this one, thanks Tezza.
Good to see how they place with the team-changes.

[Baked]

Fitzy owns.

['DONKEY]

Heners, on 20 July 2010 - 06:19 PM, said:

Enjoyed this one, thanks Tezza.
Good to see how they place with the team-changes.

Lol, we can't place too much better with the changes.

Our matches can be found on here from Sydney, in the Rebroadcast section, otherwise try Saints Youtube page

[Heners]

'DONKEY, on 20 July 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

Lol, we can't place too much better with the changes.

Our matches can be found on here from Sydney, in the Rebroadcast section, otherwise try Saints Youtube page

I know, also saw your matches vs. Zyrus Gaming - Slazy's Cap-card

['DONKEY]

Heners, on 20 July 2010 - 06:56 PM, said:

I know, also saw your matches vs. Zyrus Gaming - Slazy's Cap-card

Link me to them please.

[Heners]

'DONKEY, on 20 July 2010 - 07:02 PM, said:

Link me to them please.

Ahh, i went to his house on the weekend. He showed me all his team scrim's watched most of the gameplay. Some of the traps you guys do, holy sh**. But if you want i'll ask him to talk to you, maybe he can send to you for PoV or your Youtube channel, yeah ?

['DONKEY]

Heners, on 20 July 2010 - 07:06 PM, said:

Ahh, i went to his house on the weekend. He showed me all his team scrim's watched most of the gameplay. Some of the traps you guys do, holy sh**. But if you want i'll ask him to talk to you, maybe he can send to you for PoV or your Youtube channel, yeah ?

Yeah I used to give Slazy sh** about using nub classes. I think that we may have enlightened his team on what it takes to go to the next level. When we played them they were good but they had no setup. And from watching their CTF Terminal match, they can really work on there comms too. I think that alot of teams are unaware that you can do the things that us and Evil do, and these things need alot of practise too. I don't think that Malice and iNS have too much setup but there comms are great and there shots are phenomenal.

Alot of teams miss this, comms are very important, crucial to beating top teams and an understanding of where your team mates are and how you can work together is the next step. Shot is also of great importance, but if you can communicate effectively and have knowledge of your team mates then you will go far.

[Baked]

Malice to beat Fray Lgnds again.

To be honest, Fear clearly have the most 4v4 knowledge in the community, but are let down by egos. They lack the teamwork/comms seen in Malice/insurgency/fray. Take a look at Buzzin, very good shot but it isn't one of the best in the community; he's a step above because he's played a lot of 4v4s and has a greater knowledge of the spawns/set-ups than anyone else in the community at this present time.

Would be very interesting what would happen if Fear attended BRIS with their full 4v4 line-up, in terms of would some of their online warriors implode under the pressure (trent, swan for example) and just how some of the players perform. Too be honest I see 4v4s currently like this:

Malice/Ins at the top level
Fray/Fear just below.

Malice and Ins have the best overall players, but lack the knowledge that Fear has. Fear has the knowledge, but lacks the teamwork/comradery and has slightly worse players overall compared to Malice/Ins. Legends have a slightly weaker roster compared to Fear, but have the teamwork/comradery seen in Malice/Ins.

Some ramblings for you noobs.

['DONKEY]

Baked, on 20 July 2010 - 08:14 PM, said:

Malice/Ins at the top level
Fray/Fear just below.

Fray just beat iNS in P2P? And beat them in R1 of ACL, narrowly lost to them in R2. So I don't know where you came to that conclusion.

I get where your coming from but some of your 'ramblings' are a little unfounded. I believe without a doubt that if FeaR were to play on LAN they would be awesome, but as soon as something goes wrong they lose the plot and ultimately the game. In regards to the other teams having better players....well I would understandably have to disagree.. Unless you want to state whom is lacking?

[Baked]

'DONKEY, on 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

Fray just beat iNS in P2P? And beat them in R1 of ACL, narrowly lost to them in R2. So I don't know where you came to that conclusion.

P2P is online, and I give extra weight to the latest ACL result regardless.

'DONKEY, on 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

I get where your coming from but some of your 'ramblings' are a little unfounded. I believe without a doubt that if FeaR were to play on LAN they would be awesome, but as soon as something goes wrong they lose the plot and ultimately the game.

Is that not exactly what I said?

'DONKEY, on 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM, said:

In regards to the other teams having better players....well I would understandably have to disagree.. Unless you want to state whom is lacking?

In your team? I think the only person in your line-up with a decent shot at making it into either Malice or Insurgency's 4 would be Cheese, but even then I couldn't see it happening. In terms of Fear I think Cheese is better than Trent and Swan, maybe as good as Fluenza at 4v4s but not as good as Buzzin at 4v4s. Does this clear it up a little for you?

[Sandz]

I hounestly can't see swan going, he talks alot of sh** online, and i just don't think he would have the balls too, but it would be great to meet buzzin and trent in real life after being mates with em for a long time, i hope they do go, and if they do go i can see them winning / top 2


My prediction;

FeaR
Malice
iNSURGENCY
Fray

but in saying that, all the fray players have alot of LAN experiance, so it will be good to see who does come out on top.

['DONKEY]

Baked, on 20 July 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

P2P is online, and I give extra weight to the latest ACL result regardless.



Is that not exactly what I said?



In your team? I think the only person in your line-up with a decent shot at making it into either Malice or Insurgency's 4 would be Cheese, but even then I couldn't see it happening. In terms of Fear I think Cheese is better than Trent and Swan, maybe as good as Fluenza at 4v4s but not as good as Buzzin at 4v4s. Does this clear it up a little for you?

Yeah well, how did you go last ACL?

Baked, really can't be f***ed ruining this thread with your constant bicker and unfounded thoughts. You aren't a bad player and I have time for the teams you play for but meh you really don't understand.

[Baked]

Didn't think I played actually.

Maybe if you showed me some love once in a while I'd keep my thoughts to myself Instead of calling me hurtful names and stuff.

My thoughts aren't unfounded though, they're just my opinion (and I'd love to hear what areas of my discussion you disagree with, naming names; as I did). I give credit where credit's due, for example, where I said your teamwork/comms was on the top level. It's not my fault that you disagree with my views on skill and think you're better than Fitzy or Briceman or whoever.

Calls it how he sees it.

[Gh0sT KIRBY]

Pretty good read.

Will be interesting to see how Fray Legends go now that they have replaced Kustom. I expect they will be even tougher to beat now

[fray Saint]

This is the way i see it.

INS/MLC- Smart (good decision making), Mature, Good Comms, Keep there heads and capitilize on there oputunities. Not saying there bad shots but it's not there slaying power that wins them matches. Most of our matches against both teams we have better k/dr and out shoot them but they have the knack of doing the right thing at the right time. I have multiple Vids of ACL/CG matches that prove this to be the case. (I'm probably the worst shot out of all 4 teams so don't think i'm saying my shot is better then anyones lol)

Fear- Have the knowledge, great shots and good comms but lack the maturity. Simply they either choke or lose there heads.

fray- We have good comms, shots and are mature players but lose our heads in tight situations. We also lack good decision making that INS/MLC have and effectively lose maps that we should win and that breaks our back for the following map.

I have played with against all the above teams for a long time now and that to me is a pretty accurate description of those teams.

Your 'ramblings' are your opinion and there not un-justified but i don't think there entirely correct.

As far as Results go i'm not going to lie MLC have pretty much beaten us 20-3 or something ridiculous but all of those matches have been pretty insanely close. Us and INS are like 2-1 our favour. Were 1-0 up on Fear atm.

We can all beat each other on any given day, just some teams match up better against the others.

Baked, on 20 July 2010 - 09:36 PM, said:

Didn't think I played actually.

Yea you played for Spotted Dick.